(25-10-2024, 03:37 PM)Ligbruderkrieg Wrote:

(19-10-2024, 11:13 AM)TheNick Wrote: As for ProNat requests, we decided to approve the status for Kundrati (Hyraemous) while decided to reject Tukarali, Gaduridos and Pontesi. We're still reviewing Kalistan (Doc)'s request.

@MrFacts

(28-10-2024, 10:14 AM)GreekIdiot Wrote: @Weim @Hex - not criticism at all, simply trying to gauge enforcement of ProNats. It's a new thing, we were bound to come across a few bumps on the road till it matures. And being even more bureaucratic about the rule itself as it was written wouldn't have solved the bumps.

Lemme ask you this:

1. What would you guys have done if ProNat didn't exist?
   
2. What should we do with other applicants (i.e. Facts / Pontesi) if we were to grant ProNats for you in Valr/Gad?
   

(27-10-2024, 10:24 PM)Auditorii Wrote: We've had limited instances where players have controlled multiple FBCs while having a second account, memory betrays me in who has had it but it certainly has been far and few between admittedly.

1) Mina's role has been one of stabilization in the region and the sort've "rock" for East Dovani in being not an absolute mess as often FBCs become or turn into. I'm not interested in turning Mina into something as I've got several storylines, such as the Nefa Ahmadi Democratic Republic that I do not want to abandon. This is not to mention that outside of Xsampa, and now Bianjie, there are no real active Dovani-based FBCs. Outside of Dovani, there is only one other active on Temania.

2) FBCs, while on the same have always been a little different and we've had players control FBCs will having active nations on Dovani and in the past we've had people control 2 different FBCs on the same continent (I controlled Mina and Bazgaristan at one point), I don't think thats entirely new. The one thing that was always not allowed, but has been recently allowed with Vascania and Rapa Pile, was invasion and occupation. The only one that comes to mind outside of that and was RPd very well, was Kurageri and Liore of which Chitin did a stellar job RPing.

3) Why shouldn't they interact? While we've implemented rules to prevent FBCs and secondary accounts from interacting with each other, neither nation is going to have an open conflict, nor could they really given the circumstances. There will certainly be tensions, I encourage you to read the situation between Mina and Bazgaristan, but a full on "Hot conflict" will be very unlikely to happen unless planned in the context of a wider Dovani situation.

(28-10-2024, 07:18 PM)MrFacts Wrote:

(25-10-2024, 03:37 PM)Ligbruderkrieg Wrote:

(19-10-2024, 11:13 AM)TheNick Wrote: As for ProNat requests, we decided to approve the status for Kundrati (Hyraemous) while decided to reject Tukarali, Gaduridos and Pontesi. We're still reviewing Kalistan (Doc)'s request.

@MrFacts

And may I ask why?

(28-10-2024, 08:09 PM)hyraemous Wrote:

(28-10-2024, 07:18 PM)MrFacts Wrote:

(25-10-2024, 03:37 PM)Ligbruderkrieg Wrote:

(19-10-2024, 11:13 AM)TheNick Wrote: As for ProNat requests, we decided to approve the status for Kundrati (Hyraemous) while decided to reject Tukarali, Gaduridos and Pontesi. We're still reviewing Kalistan (Doc)'s request.

@MrFacts

And may I ask why?

Right now, we feel that the roleplay for Pontesi still needs work and dedication put in and a reason why a ProNat would be appropriate for you there. I recommend continuing to roleplay and developing your roleplay arc further before asking again.

(28-10-2024, 10:03 PM)GreekIdiot Wrote: @Weim @Hex I hear you. At the same time this is exactly my concern. Nobody will do anything without a ProNat. We've suddenly become very aware of phrases like "fragile", "swept away with the rain" and "destroy the whole roleplay" (i.e. Fact's previous comment).

I mean I get it. I'll be lying though if I said I'm not concerned about where ProNats are heading.

It's not the FBC version of in-game countries. 

It's not about outlining a plan, getting approval, taking ownership and then starting. It's more about saying "oh guys I've kinda sunk my teeth into this nation, been interacting with other nations and I'm generally a good co-player, can you guys protect me?".

Here's the kicker: when you guys made the initial requests for Valruzia and Gaduridos a few days back you were at that stage. You're not anymore, since you've both been RPing with both nations, you're just scared to commit further - which is totally fair and this is where ProNats come in.

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My suggestion.

Can you two proceed without a ProNat, give it a few days (min 2-3), roll with the RP and then apply again? Then the mod team can handle the case again (as I'm currently intervening on their behalf) with a clean slate.

I'm asking for your help here. I really want us to differentiate ProNats between getting started and getting ready to commit.

(ofc with the 2 criteria in mind)

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Totally fair if you want it now cause you're bummed without it. Just say it. You're both valuable members and we really don't want to lose you from the scene of active roleplayers. But keep in mind it's going to shake players like MrFacts who're probably gonna feel unfair about it.

(27-10-2024, 04:36 AM)Auditorii Wrote: I'd like to request control over Statrica, full disclosure that there is intention to be tensions between Statrica and Mina (which I also control). Prior to Bazgaristan's change from what it was, to what is now, Bazgaristan was a well known supporter of Ahmadi terrorism in Dovani and even launched an invasion of western Medina to support a more radical, pro-Ahmadi regime. I'd like to develop Statrica into that sort've role, while also providing something for states in western Dovani and potentially across the pond to be involved in.

The main focus would be on foreign groups funding a Ahmadi revolution and the main government struggling to contain it while actively engaging in a prolonged civil war. As a note, this would be a "slow burn" and the intention to bring some activity further to Dovani, and as such posting would be alongside posts with Mina.