03-02-2026, 12:03 AM
Just as a disclaimer before I continue: This is not the team opinion, I'm only speaking for myself, we're going to coordinate during and after the public feeback round.
While it's hard for me to measure how much had been posted by Svet in the Trigunia thread before we shifted to the new forum/site, I vaguely recall that it has not been that much (like one or two pages of posts), correct me if I'm wrong. Due to this fact, and almost no option to really check on past content, I'll focus this response on the stuff that has been primarily rp'd on this forum.
While this could potentially be true, I can recall that there has been quite a difference in time between when you initially rp'd in Trigunia (which was before I returned in very late 2023), before you went to a multitude of other nations, in that time basically no one aside you has really acknowledged or rp'd with this refugee-policy, so its basically been just implied that the numbers have been growing by posts that happened long after the slow incremental changes necessary for a CulPro update should have been posted, meaning this is an ex-post way of justifying this and this is simply not how this works, thats something i've been taking an issue with because this borders on blatant disregard for the rules and at best its bad form. While I'd generally be fine with this change from a realism/culture POV I think the way this has been ""integrated"" makes it impossible for me to support.
While I think that the derodadyhsdoodedlydaaad post would be a great start on integrating new languages, were there follow up posts or only implications? If only the latter I dont think the standards of incremental changes has been met, even if we're more generous on the language side. Otherwise I'm perfectly happy to support the distinctiveness of Kozaki and Kirivan cultures as their respective subgroups, that seems like a reasonable and realistic development to have.
This is a major retcon and does - even if offering more RP than the other changes (which is a low bar)- in no way justify its existence and what I stated about procedure and incremental changes can only be stated here too, an even worse case in my opinion. Together with the jarring concerns about realism which I believe do not need to be explained, this is an absolute no-no.
Last point: The Rename.
Well while I do think the explanation offered does have its merit and isnt completely out of the way I dont think there has been done enough to erase 5000 years of history, considering that Trigunia had been played extensively and wasnt by any means a nation with barely any content, I think there should be a lot more to this.
So summa summarum: I oppose this.
While it's hard for me to measure how much had been posted by Svet in the Trigunia thread before we shifted to the new forum/site, I vaguely recall that it has not been that much (like one or two pages of posts), correct me if I'm wrong. Due to this fact, and almost no option to really check on past content, I'll focus this response on the stuff that has been primarily rp'd on this forum.
Quote: When it comes to the cultural protocol, there wasn't any radical changes to the ethnic composition other than a new ethnicity, the Nova Beagukiyans (based on Russo-Koreans) was added through by taking percentages from the "Others" category, the Nova Beagukiyans originated from a policy of acceptance toward refugees created by the TRA invasion of Dankuk back when I first played in Trigunia (can't seem to be able to access the old forum to link to the post), the ethnicity kept on rising in numbers and even played a major role in the politics of post collapse Trigunia through the use of their own breakaway state the Institute, the escape of the deposed empress of Beaguk to the isles and the exile of the second heir to the throne of Beaguk helped cement the presence of Nova Beagukiyans within society. Other than that, the ethnic composition of Trigunia remains mostly unchanged.
While this could potentially be true, I can recall that there has been quite a difference in time between when you initially rp'd in Trigunia (which was before I returned in very late 2023), before you went to a multitude of other nations, in that time basically no one aside you has really acknowledged or rp'd with this refugee-policy, so its basically been just implied that the numbers have been growing by posts that happened long after the slow incremental changes necessary for a CulPro update should have been posted, meaning this is an ex-post way of justifying this and this is simply not how this works, thats something i've been taking an issue with because this borders on blatant disregard for the rules and at best its bad form. While I'd generally be fine with this change from a realism/culture POV I think the way this has been ""integrated"" makes it impossible for me to support.
Quote: Concerning the languages, the Kozaki language rose to prominence alongside the other minority languages mainly thanks to the NEC's derodashyanfication process which essentially broke the link between ethnicity and language by enforcing the use of languages such as Kozaki, Dundorfian, Kirivian in accordance with each republic and their main OOC inspiration I had for them. The institutions that ruled the isles also encourage the use of local languages especially in parliamentary proceedings which helped make Kozaki act as the unifying language alongside Rodashyan whilst languages such Dundorfian (in Brakav), Nova Beagukiyan (in Radin), Krivian (Vrosnok), and the indigenous language (Haivan) were used more by the populations of these republics than the general population. Also the reason for Kozaki growing in prominence mainly stems from Kozacchyna being the most population republic and their government repeatedly prioritizing Kozaki over Rodashyan.
While I think that the derodadyhsdoodedlydaaad post would be a great start on integrating new languages, were there follow up posts or only implications? If only the latter I dont think the standards of incremental changes has been met, even if we're more generous on the language side. Otherwise I'm perfectly happy to support the distinctiveness of Kozaki and Kirivan cultures as their respective subgroups, that seems like a reasonable and realistic development to have.
Quote: For the religious aspect of the protocol, the main change was the addition of the Matriarchal Church of Nadiya a new clerical body that resulted from a schism between the Augustan Church of Trigunia and a groupe of nuns influenced by the Matriarchist wave that had recently hit Kozacchyna, the organization The organization managed to quickly spread their ideas across the breakaway states through a series of educational reforms by the NEC that focused on promoting the valeus of the church, right before the Second Trigunian War The MCN became the fastest growing church in the isles and even overtook the ACT in terms of members. When it comes to the other churches there weren't any major changes except some low drops in percentage.
This is a major retcon and does - even if offering more RP than the other changes (which is a low bar)- in no way justify its existence and what I stated about procedure and incremental changes can only be stated here too, an even worse case in my opinion. Together with the jarring concerns about realism which I believe do not need to be explained, this is an absolute no-no.
Last point: The Rename.
Well while I do think the explanation offered does have its merit and isnt completely out of the way I dont think there has been done enough to erase 5000 years of history, considering that Trigunia had been played extensively and wasnt by any means a nation with barely any content, I think there should be a lot more to this.
So summa summarum: I oppose this.
His Schnitzelsty, the most honorable Austrocrat.